Thread: looking for some ideas

Originally Posted by native89

yeah when i end up doing it thats what im going to do. as for PCT have you had any experience with letro? i've heard its the best for stopping gyno from happening. i was thinking about doing letro on my cycle (maybe a bit earlier) and starting nolva on the last day of my cycle for PCT

im doing alot of research on letro at the mo. It is (from my studies) a very powerful AI. and .25mg EOD is too much on a normal cycle.
I have a lot of experience with Arimidex and 0.5mg EOD on a 500mg test cycle is more then enough. Last cycle i bumped my test to 1000mg which is unheard of in this forum lol and i could control estrogen sides with 0.5mg ED to 1mg E3D. But i had to add nolva at some times cos it wasnt enough. i think 0.5-0.75mg ED on the 1000mg test would have been enough.

Letro i know of comes in 2.5mg so getting a dose of .25mg EOD which will still be too much would be hard. id say use Adex as its easier and your doses wont be anywhere near (or shouldnt be) mine lol

Originally Posted by Thrasha

im doing alot of research on letro at the mo. It is (from my studies) a very powerful AI. and .25mg EOD is too much on a normal cycle.
I have a lot of experience with Arimidex and 0.5mg EOD on a 500mg test cycle is more then enough. Last cycle i bumped my test to 1000mg which is unheard of in this forum lol and i could control estrogen sides with 0.5mg ED to 1mg E3D. But i had to add nolva at some times cos it wasnt enough. i think 0.5-0.75mg ED on the 1000mg test would have been enough.

Letro i know of comes in 2.5mg so getting a dose of .25mg EOD which will still be too much would be hard. id say use Adex as its easier and your doses wont be anywhere near (or shouldnt be) mine lol

yeah i read a good as review today but i cant find it now.... it had heaps of information on letro. yeah from what i read you start on .25 and end up doing 2.5. and for people who already have gyno they start on a higher amount.

im trying to find the review now and having zero luck haha. 1000mg??? why so much haha

Originally Posted by UN Soldier

I don't beleive in the whole 'diet' craze, I believe a lot of what you want can be acheived with drugs, I have always believed this and the more I research into 'hardcore' bodybuilding the more my beliefs have become reality.

Dieting will still push you a step above the next guy though, well 'generally' speaking it will. I see some guys with shit diets who look absolutely awesome, then I see another guy who diets continuously and he looks like shit, I then ask myself "what the fuck is going on here?"

Its also like the old wifes tale saying that eating your fruit and veges will make you healthy, well 'generally' they will. But let me tell you that some people eat like shit their whole lives and they never have any health problems, then the next guy eats healthy his whole life and he comes down with every fucken disease known to man, so WTF is going on here???

A lot of foreigners have very bland diets, though they are healthy, they don't eat the 5 or 6 food groups that the Oz Government says you should eat in order to stay healthy, what a load of absolute shit!! Just because you eat fruit and veges doesn't mean your going to live forever, but at least physcologically you'll feel better about yourself.

Wow. try getting really lean without being on a 'diet'.I guarantee u wont get there. What u eat is the most important thing in bodybuilding.Even more than the training.Alot of people in the gym work there arse off but make poor gains because they dont eat right. Food makes you grow way more than gear eva will.maybe instead of using the high doses u do maybe u should spend the money on steak instead.

Originally Posted by native89

yeah i read a good as review today but i cant find it now.... it had heaps of information on letro. yeah from what i read you start on .25 and end up doing 2.5. and for people who already have gyno they start on a higher amount.

im trying to find the review now and having zero luck haha. 1000mg??? why so much haha

i was advised to try it so i did. lol
ive ran 500mg plenty of times i think it was semi time to up it a little

Originally Posted by Thrasha

i was advised to try it so i did. lol
ive ran 500mg plenty of times i think it was semi time to up it a little

haha fair enough, i think ill stick to the 500mg for me 1st few goes :P

heres that link for letro, this bloke seems to know a fair bit.

forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

what type of test would you recommend for a first timer?? -reasonable bulking with least sides haha

-native89

Originally Posted by native89

haha fair enough, i think ill stick to the 500mg for me 1st few goes :P

heres that link for letro, this bloke seems to know a fair bit.

forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

what type of test would you recommend for a first timer?? -reasonable bulking with least sides haha

-native89

any test. if u can stand the pain go prop. that way if you get too many adverse effects u can get off quickly... enanthate is probably the most easiest to atain

Originally Posted by Thrasha

any test. if u can stand the pain go prop. that way if you get too many adverse effects u can get off quickly... enanthate is probably the most easiest to atain

from the review i've read prop has more chance of sides, i think when i get around to it ill go enanthate.

also what are your thoughts on sust 250? my mate reckons thats what i should go with but from what i've read its not worth the extra cash u pay for it.

-Native89

Originally Posted by native89

from the review i've read prop has more chance of sides, i think when i get around to it ill go enanthate.

also what are your thoughts on sust 250? my mate reckons thats what i should go with but from what i've read its not worth the extra cash u pay for it.

-Native89

why is there more sides with prop? Prop is a fast acting ester, if u get any bad sides or feel u dont want to be on any more u can get it completely out of your system with in days not weeks... I like prop the only prob with it is it is a fairly low dose i mean if i was using 1000mg again it would be 10ml to inject a week lol

Sus, i like the ol sus but it is pricey! i dont know why but i found i could handle estro sides better with sus. it certainly is a hype drug. just a phase that hasnt let go lol maybe cos the real stuff is so hard to obtain people get wett when they find it lol

Originally Posted by Thrasha

why is there more sides with prop? Prop is a fast acting ester, if u get any bad sides or feel u dont want to be on any more u can get it completely out of your system with in days not weeks... I like prop the only prob with it is it is a fairly low dose i mean if i was using 1000mg again it would be 10ml to inject a week lol

Sus, i like the ol sus but it is pricey! i dont know why but i found i could handle estro sides better with sus. it certainly is a hype drug. just a phase that hasnt let go lol maybe cos the real stuff is so hard to obtain people get wett when they find it lol

i just went off a review i read by some bloke, probably just reacted bad with him. haha see if i do this ill be going for something i only have to inject once a week not every day lol.

so ill get the similar results with enanthate compared to sust 250? cos if thats the case im pretty sure i can pick up enathate cheaper

-Native89

yeah thats true enanthate is usually cheaper unless its rediject primoteston (enanthate 250 preloaded syringes) they are in the same range as proper sus amps.

to keep your blood levels stable id still suggest injecting twice a week. monday thursday or something like that.

Originally Posted by UN Soldier

Ahh the good ol cousins cycle, thats a typical cycle known to all.

In all respect that is an awesome cycle mick, have you ever run anything like that before?

Nah, i wish..

it would probably set you back like 10 to 15 grand

Originally Posted by native89

tru?... by Test E or Test Cyp you mean Testosterone Enanthate or Testosterone Cypionate? have you had good gains from these?

Yes Enanthate or Cypionate, I personally prefer Cyp due to the slightly longer half life, but then again its only a couple of days longer, if you pin regularly it won't make any difference whatsoever if you use Cyp or Enanth. But for myself I sometimes won't pin for a week, so the longer the half life is, the better it suits me.

BTW I'm glad to see your eating healthy.

Originally Posted by Thrasha

i was in the same position as u as a young fellah 57kg at 19 and yes that is a twig! haha. eager to jump on, i did and made all the mistakes possible! i feel as if it has hindered my gains now. i think if i stuck it out a few yrs before going the chemical route i would be in alot better shape now.

What mistakes exactly did you make? I highly doubt it has hindered your gains mate, there have been many discussions about wether or not it is beneficial to stay natural for a long time before hitting the juice, OR wether its better to just jump straight on the gear after say a year or so of training. Anyway one point was that a guy who jumped straight on the gear earlier simply developed at paces much much quicker than all the other guys, obviously this goes without saying. Drugs are drugs, all I can say is to be smart and safe about it, know what your doing, unfortunately not everyone does know what their doing when they start out, but most people learn and gain from that knowledge.

Originally Posted by UN Soldier

Yes Enanthate or Cypionate, I personally prefer Cyp due to the slightly longer half life, but then again its only a couple of days longer, if you pin regularly it won't make any difference whatsoever if you use Cyp or Enanth. But for myself I sometimes won't pin for a week, so the longer the half life is, the better it suits me.

BTW I'm glad to see your eating healthy.



What mistakes exactly did you make? I highly doubt it has hindered your gains mate, there have been many discussions about wether or not it is beneficial to stay natural for a long time before hitting the juice, OR wether its better to just jump straight on the gear after say a year or so of training. Anyway one point was that a guy who jumped straight on the gear earlier simply developed at paces much much quicker than all the other guys, obviously this goes without saying. Drugs are drugs, all I can say is to be smart and safe about it, know what your doing, unfortunately not everyone does know what their doing when they start out, but most people learn and gain from that knowledge.

well my mistake was i just listened to my mates limited info used anapolin 50 from the very first day in the gym and ended up with mild gyno from it. that only got worse as my bf went up.

fk i dont care anymore i do as i please when it comes to gear. not quite like u but yeah. fk i did 1000mg and heaps of people had a cry! not here but else where. FYI next time ill do it again if not more lol I know my body now and i know what it can handle. so yeah lol

Originally Posted by UN Soldier

What mistakes exactly did you make? I highly doubt it has hindered your gains mate, there have been many discussions about wether or not it is beneficial to stay natural for a long time before hitting the juice, OR wether its better to just jump straight on the gear after say a year or so of training. Anyway one point was that a guy who jumped straight on the gear earlier simply developed at paces much much quicker than all the other guys, obviously this goes without saying. Drugs are drugs, all I can say is to be smart and safe about it, know what your doing, unfortunately not everyone does know what their doing when they start out, but most people learn and gain from that knowledge.

I hope your right but i read this elses where

Know this: EITHER longterm intense training (at least 5-7 yrs) under optimal glucose tolerance OR several years use of AAS will promote changes in the polymorphic expression of the androgen receptor (eg, you achieve a near permanent, highly stable, change in natural bodymass maximum over the lesser trained individual, who will revert fairly quickly if training is ceased for several months).

However, if you use AAS before this condition naturally occurs (in your early to mid 20s), you will gain LESS net excess lean body mass (LBM), because you will not have fully maximized your androgen receptor number in muscle tissue. This maximim AR number is a function of the number of years of maximum androgen concentration effect on maturation of muscle quality and fully developed muscle matrix support tissue.

To put this more simply: if you use androgen excess before the entire neruomuscualr system is naturally optimized by careful diet and longterm training, you will limit the extent of the total net benefits gained from AAS use, but you will still incur the total net costs at supraphysiological dosing.

The farther out you are from this magic point of readiness for full benefit of AAS use (the less prepared your body), the more ephemeral (shorter lived) are the suboptimal benefits accured. The net costs continue to be accrued and will exert their due over time in assumed excess risk.

Meaning if you haven't trained for 7 years like a pro you have hindered gains, i guess if this theory is true on the upside if you use AAS for 7 years you can keep your gains perminately (but i doupt this if you look at retired pros they look much smaller)..

Originally Posted by Thrasha

well my mistake was i just listened to my mates limited info used anapolin 50 from the very first day in the gym and ended up with mild gyno from it. that only got worse as my bf went up.

fk i dont care anymore i do as i please when it comes to gear. not quite like u but yeah. fk i did 1000mg and heaps of people had a cry! not here but else where. FYI next time ill do it again if not more lol I know my body now and i know what it can handle. so yeah lol

I've known a few people to run nothing but Anapolin 50, not a bad choice to bulk you up. What I like about Anadrol is that it makes me feel great, unlike Dbol which for some reason gives me anxiety and makes me feel weird. I run Bromo @ 2.5mg ED when using Anadrol, but I also use Cyp + Deca, so considering both Deca and Anadrol are Progestins, its very wise to run a DA whilst on cycle.

I love Anadrol man, it is by far my favourite oral!