Thread: Including ester weights or not?

Ok last cycle i shot 4ml of sustanon a week, being a total of 1000mg total weight but only 704mg of actual testosterone.
Next cycle i want to run a clean 1000mg of test (if test e = 1080mg, if test c = 1050mg, if sus = 1056mg, if prop = 1000mg (1250mg test with ester)) so this would be 1500mg of test with ester.
My question is, am i really doing 1500mg or the 1000mg? what is your view?

well last cycle you ran 704mg of actual testosterone so this cycle bump it up to 1000mg of actual testosterone if you feel you want to increase the dose you are really doing 1500mg cause that is what everyone refers to when they ask how much you taking they don't calculate the esters.

Yeah Thrasher I have never once heard of anyone calculating Esters etc in their cycles mate, they all go off the total amount pinned, dam it would get confusing if some people started calculating Esters and others didn't lol!

if some1 uses prop or suspension obviously they will grow more using what 1 would think is the same dose. im only gna post up what im actually doing in test from now hahahaha

if i said im using 1000mg of total test it doesnt sound as bad as me saying im using 1500mg of test. my 2c

Originally Posted by Thrasha

if some1 uses prop or suspension obviously they will grow more using what 1 would think is the same dose. im only gna post up what im actually doing in test from now hahahaha

if i said im using 1000mg of total test it doesnt sound as bad as me saying im using 1500mg of test. my 2c

Yes well Suspension is the one compound that makes a big difference in Ester Calculations when compared to other compounds. I'm actually thinking of trying Suspension, just doing little jabs all around my body ED or EOD for a few weeks.

Yes it doesn't sound as bad like you said, and you could also times the total amount your using by 5, then minus 10 from that amount and then divide that total amount by 20, this way it seems as though your only running a TRT dose

come to think of it, it is often over looked like you said someone running 1000mg of prop per week is taking 880mg total testosterone per week where as someone using 1000mg of sustanon is only using 760mg per week that is a big difference. of an extra 120mg.

Who the fuck says "let's inject 168mg of testosterone based on testosterone enanthate taking into consideration it's molecular weight 288.429
and ester molecular weight being 130.1864 so let's inject 1.23879mls per week to get exactly 200mg of testosterone per week". This is never an issue everywhere else including video's from the pro's such as milos sarcev. The only time i've heard people cry about ester weight is here!

As far as we are all concerned, we are injecting "TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE" which is testosterone base plus ester (enanthoic acid, 7 carbons). It's like saying "how much coke did you drink" - I dunno, i have to calculate how much water is in it, minus the sugar, and then i'll know...

If you inject 1ml of Test E @ 250mg/ml that's what you get. 250mg of Test E. Calculating ester weight is stupid.

Thrasha. The reason we inject X mls @ Y mg/ml is not based on any scientific evidence, it is mostly based of people's reports of how much they gained with acceptable sides. If you feel you need to inject EXACTLY 1000mg of ACTIVE BASE TESTOSTERONE, then you're a little nutty my friend lmao.

sorry bad day. this shit annoys me. just inject into your neck... then u get awesome gains

Well no plexus there is another side to it, i cans ee what your saying but if a person were to take 1000mg per week of prop on this cycle then on the next wanted to do the same he would actually be taking less testosterone per week by by 120mg x that by 10 weeks he has missed out on taking 1200mg in comparison to the last cycle of prop only he is doing a slightly smaller cycle.

yeah this is what i mean on. and plex go have a smoke calm down lol

why wouldnt i just use suspension and do 1000 like i said? i want 1000mg of test not 700mg of test + ester weight...

The question is, why do you feel you need exactly 1000mg of actual testosterone base?

ok there is a stigma that comes with using that much test. if i say i was using 1500mg and in actual fact its only 1000mg of test id rather say im using 1000mg lol and i will from now on. I just wanted to know every1 elses opinions lol
if u use 500mg of enanth and i use 500mg of suspension im better off then you are by 140mg of actual testosterone. its a fair amount when u think about it....

the wogs/lebos in my area grow off using mls of how much they use
they have no idea of pct, or what mg their using let alone ester.

i have to agree with plexus, if ur worried about ester then its time u used another compound that can deliver more gains off cycle then just regular test e.
i wouldnt worry about the ester
but for informational purposes i dont see why it cant be discussed.


* goes and starts playing ps3 * and wonders who made the moon white? like serzly... why is it white ? and venus red and stuff.. like why?
what about water? why is it clear? like ffs what is the answer?
or better yet.. the question is what is the question?

Originally Posted by zayd687

the wogs/lebos in my area grow off using mls of how much they use
they have no idea of pct, or what mg their using let alone ester.

i have to agree with plexus, if ur worried about ester then its time u used another compound that can deliver more gains off cycle then just regular test e.
i wouldnt worry about the ester
but for informational purposes i dont see why it cant be discussed.


* goes and starts playing ps3 * and wonders who made the moon white? like serzly... why is it white ? and venus red and stuff.. like why?
what about water? why is it clear? like ffs what is the answer?
or better yet.. the question is what is the question?

yeah the people in my area do the same lol i had a mate doing 2ml of enanth 2ml of prop 3 times a week hahahaha he didnt know how strong his enan was hahaha it was 75mg bladder stuff lol

most people who use gear have no idea! they just believe anything u tell them lol

Im not worried about the ester so to say im worried about the actual test im getting. that is all. i dont mind shooting an extra few mls to get the dose i want lol

Originally Posted by O.N.

come to think of it, it is often over looked like you said someone running 1000mg of prop per week is taking 880mg total testosterone per week where as someone using 1000mg of sustanon is only using 760mg per week that is a big difference. of an extra 120mg.

How much Test are you running ATM ON?

Originally Posted by Thrasha

why wouldnt i just use suspension and do 1000 like i said? i want 1000mg of test not 700mg of test + ester weight...

Why don't you use suspension mate? Try 1g Suspension per week, fuck that would be awesome.

because i know it will fkn kill! hahaha i used inject stan in my quad once and couldnt walk haha i was limping for days ahhaha
prop dont hurt though and neither does sus

Originally Posted by UN Soldier

How much Test are you running ATM ON?

None im runnign res100 only and getting bloods done as soon as i get around to it.

Originally Posted by Thrasha

because i know it will fkn kill! hahaha i used inject stan in my quad once and couldnt walk haha i was limping for days ahhaha
prop dont hurt though and neither does sus

Yeah suspension might hurt a bit, I just thought you could try it and let us all know how it went lol!

Originally Posted by O.N.

None im runnign res100 only and getting bloods done as soon as i get around to it.

fair enough!