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    I'm sure everyone will be (understandably) sceptical about this approach as soon as the hear the f word. But if you take the time to look through Martin Berkhans site

    http://www.leangains.com/

    you see its a very interesting method, with a plethora of scientific studys/ evidence to back up his claims. Iv'e been reading up on his protocol for intermittent fasting; his approach is more or less 16 hour fasts with 8 hour refeeds every day. Carbs and Calories are 25% above maintenance on workout days and mostly after workouts, which after the fast greatly increases the bodys nutrient uptake, and 20-50% below maintenance on rest/ cardio days, when the calories less likely to be stored as fat. These can be adjusted for goals of muscle gain, fat loss or body recomposition.

    Benefits, proven by his own and many others that follow his approach on the sight, (he stays at 6% bodyfat, 200 pounds year round) are briefly listed in this article;

    "Why would I do Intermittent Fasting along with weightlifting?
    6:19 PM | Posted by Martin Berkhan | Edit Post


    All the claims made are scientifically proven through empirical studies on humans.

    * Increased insulin sensitivity, possibly resulting in superior nutrient partitioning as compared to traditional meal patterns; especially when combined with weightlifting. There are also several other health benefits, including improved blood lipids (scientifically proven).

    * Possible to reduce bodyfat and increase lean mass through a cyclic calorie intake.

    * No more obsessive thinking about food and worrying about eating every second hour.

    * Very liberal approach to calorie intake in the eating window (8 hrs) and post-workout window; you can eat to your hearts content and still lose bodyfat.

    * Increased mental focus, energy and productivity during the fast.

    * Increased metabolism during the fast. Ironically, most people think itīs the other way around.

    * Appetite suppression during the fast. This is particularily beneficial if your main priority is to lose bodyfat.

    That being said, IF is not a universal solution to gaining lean mass and losing bodyfat. Just like there are people that prefer high carbohydrate diets, and loathe low carb diets, some people will prefer a higher meal frequency and more regular meal patterning. However, those that like IF rarely go back to their old habits of meal patterning and meal frequencies."

    Its understandable that many of you will probably be sceptical of this approach as it goes against most of the current bodybuilding 'laws'; however you must remember that these 'laws' currently in place were once radical themselves.
    Martins approach seems to me like a more social, less maddening approach to cutting/maintainaning than 5 tuppawere containers of food everywhere you go, when the meals arent even satisfying, but with at least equally impressive results. For bulking, it would be hard to fit the necessary calories into 8 hours, but it has been done. I think il try this out once im cofident i can pull it off.
    Interested to here what some of you guys think.

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    I had a very quick look it is interesting, can you post what you think you might be eating over 7 days and when you would be eating it??

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    LOL i read that as fisting!!!!
    Get the fuck on down the road

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrt View Post
    LOL i read that as fisting!!!!
    lol i once saw a sign at a petrol station that said ATM....lol i then laughed and then i was like oh shit i watch to much porn....lol

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    okay O.N, from what im gathered a cut would works like this. the guy is a natty, and believes program is thus best suited to a three day a week routine, lets say monday wednesday friday afternoon workouts, tues thurs and weekends rest/cardio.

    monday: calories are 25% above maintenance, mostly all post workout.Last meal on sunday is at 9pm. monday morning, get up, drink some coffee and water but no calories until 1pm. the body releases a source of energy source named catechins after 10 or so hours of fasting, so you actually feel energetic and have a suppressed appetite.

    1pm you have a pre workout meal, about 20% of your daily calories so for me 50 g carbs from starch and a piece of fruit, 50 g protein from meat a bit of fat. you wait two hours and train. after you get home, you fix a fucking beast of a meal. 50-60% daily calories. lets say a massive steak and bowl of pasta. amount of carbs used is far more liberal than a general cut because of the fast, and he even recomends a small low fat desert after this meal to curb cravings, help glycogen compensation.

    Finally, at 9pm, the last meal of the day, 20-30% total calories with mostly casein as source of protein to ensure long lasting breakdown of aminos during the fast

    A rest day, even for me as low as 1200-1300 calories, would have minimal carbs from starch and mostly protein and essential fats. You could still have a massive first meal of up to 100 g porotein and vegies, a hell of a lot more filling than 6 baby ass meals every few hours. he thus manipulates the bodys metabolic processes between training and rest days to ensure anobolism and fat loss.

    I gotta admit, im pretty pumped to give this a go, but will wait till after pct from my first cycle just to ensure i dont threaten gains. his own and those that use his approach are shredded but strong as hell. He benches 140 kgs, deadlifts 290 at 6% bodyfat and all natty. Cant argue with that. Once you overcome the scam mentality you realise hes approach is pretty incredible.

    And mrt, he may even give some fisting recomendations if you check the site

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    Default Re: Intermittent Fasting

    good read.....

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    Very interesting and I'll be interested in seeing how you go on this after your PCT.
    "You never want to show the weight that you're scared... but that's some heavy arse weight" Jay Cutler 4X Mr Olympia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zayd687 View Post
    good read.....
    RF1964 Re: Intermittent Fasting

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    Very interesting and I'll be interested in seeing how you go on this after your PCT.
    Cheers boys, i decided im gonna start next mon. i think the calories will be high enough on workout days to prevent any catabolism-i'll probably start a log or something. looks real promising

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    Quote Originally Posted by zayd687 View Post
    good read.....
    btw zayd what the go with your pic. you look wired bro

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    Default Re: Intermittent Fasting

    He's in a severe cutting phase.. you should see him when he's bulking
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    "You never want to show the weight that you're scared... but that's some heavy arse weight" Jay Cutler 4X Mr Olympia.

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    Default Re: Intermittent Fasting

    i would be interested in doing this can you get a book on it or is there a site that tells you right way to do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbc View Post
    i would be interested in doing this can you get a book on it or is there a site that tells you right way to do it?
    He is publishing a book with Lyle Mcdonald but as its not out you have to read through his blog
    www.leangains.com
    The gist of it is in my post above but well worth reading through it to see all the science and results from it. theres also a huge thread on www.bodybuilding.com
    about people trying his method. I like him even more cos he used to be a zoolander like me

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    Quote Originally Posted by RF1964 View Post
    He's in a severe cutting phase.. you should see him when he's bulking
    "id like to slap some barbeque sauce on that big ol' butt and just woopwoopwoppwoop" haha ohh jesus no gag
    BB chics are fukin scary bro

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    ok i would like to do this, but i am not 100% sure as to how one would find out exactly their caloric requirements. I tried fitday and several calcs on bb.com all giving me different results. i would definitely love to try this out. would anyone be able to help out here with the cals thing please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbc View Post
    ok i would like to do this, but i am not 100% sure as to how one would find out exactly their caloric requirements. I tried fitday and several calcs on bb.com all giving me different results. i would definitely love to try this out. would anyone be able to help out here with the cals thing please?
    Okay mate, well its a method to apply to whatever goal you have, therefore you direct your caloric requirements towards fat loss, maintenance, muscle gain

    Perhaps you could give some stats to your height, weight etc and someone here could help you decide which goal is best suited to you at the present. One basic to calculate maintenance cals is bodyweight x 14. If you were cutting, you would add 25% above maintenance on workout days high carb moderate protein low fat. Rest days, 50% reduction of maintenance, high protein, low carb, moderate fat. Bulking or maintaining would require less of a cut on rest/cardio days and more complex carbs.

    I still highly recomend reading his blog, its very well written. Lemme know how you go

    Goodluck mate

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    Good review here too

    http://traineatsleep.com/diet/fat-lo...ains-approach/

    bbc - Martin 'consults' via email also. He can do you up a plan with diet. For a cost of course but hey nothings free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbellpress View Post
    Okay mate, well its a method to apply to whatever goal you have, therefore you direct your caloric requirements towards fat loss, maintenance, muscle gain

    Perhaps you could give some stats to your height, weight etc and someone here could help you decide which goal is best suited to you at the present. One basic to calculate maintenance cals is bodyweight x 14. If you were cutting, you would add 25% above maintenance on workout days high carb moderate protein low fat. Rest days, 50% reduction of maintenance, high protein, low carb, moderate fat. Bulking or maintaining would require less of a cut on rest/cardio days and more complex carbs.

    I still highly recomend reading his blog, its very well written. Lemme know how you go

    Goodluck mate
    ok thanks man... stats are 178cm, 99kg, 18-19% bodyfat. I am looking to get leaner, either by gaining more muscle at same bodyfat or to just lose fat.

    thanks guys appreciate this. i might look into how much martins help could cost too.

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    ok i got in contact with martin via email but waiting for reply as yet... cant wait

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbc View Post
    ok i got in contact with martin via email but waiting for reply as yet... cant wait
    hmm interested to here how you go with it

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