Thread: HCG - The most important part of PCT

Originally Posted by O.N.

Libido problems are from over surpressing your estrogen while on cycle, i also thought you were having a decent break after your 2yr cycle....?
as for the natural test booster while on cycle there no point save your money.
as for resveratrol on cycle not much point either unless your reasons for its use are heart health and blood pressure etc releated

Yeah I've been taking 1.25mg Letro ED for 8 weeks, I recently halfed this too 0.625mg ED. I like the feeling of low Estrogen, too much Estrogen makes me feel kind of weird and not myself really, but low estrogen fucks with my sleep and libido.

I had a 9 week break.

Resveratrol for heart health, yes that is a good reason to take it.

Originally Posted by Thrasha

theres your answer. swap to adex

Okay I hear 9 times out of 10 guys saying that Adex on cycle is better than Letro simply because they say Letro is way to strong, it is overkill and completely eliminates every last bit of Estrogen in the body, thus making muscle growth very hard to achieve.

But if someone uses several grams per week, then Letro is ideal I have heard, anyway I don't use high doses so maybe I should just switch to Letro or Aromasin? I hear Aromasin is better than both Letro and Adex.

ON or anyone else with HCG knowledge, does the following make any sense to you guys?

At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.

With the end of my cycle coming up and not recovering as well or as quick as I would have liked last time around Ive found this or similar directions for hcg use a couple of time now. The general consensus with Aussie users seems to be to continue HCG use 2 weeks after our last shot of say test enth. The above advice contradicts this, any thoughts guys?

Yeah mate its wrong, when you take just 250mg of testosterone enanthate your LH is at ZERO within 3 days. So whilst any steroids are in your system above normal hormonal levels LH will be supressed. It takes atleast 23days from your last injection for most of the gear to clear your system.

As no LH is being received by leydig cells within the testes they will be becoming desenstized, so if you stop hcg 2 weeks before you finish the cycle or even on your last injection desenstization will begin and although it will be minor it will still have an impact on recovery and total testosterone level 6-8 weeks post.
You will still recover just not as well, you can continue hcg for many weeks post cycle if you so wish with minimal impact, people like this "bro science" above seem to think the HPTA takes an impact and doesn't respond as soon as gear clears the system, it is completely untrue you can see on the first page of this thread on the 2 graphs which show even while steroids are still clearing LH is raising up so LH responds straight away.

I hope that makes sense if not keep asking mate and i'll try and answer it as best i can.

Well looking at the graphs and with your explanation yeah it makes perfect sense and yep they are dead wrong. So much disinformation in this game, that hcg info is the current advice off a popular US bb'ing site. If anything I can see a case for longer hcg use post cycle

Originally Posted by bonzajude

Well looking at the graphs and with your explanation yeah it makes perfect sense and yep they are dead wrong. So much disinformation in this game, that hcg info is the current advice off a popular US bb'ing site. If anything I can see a case for longer hcg use post cycle

exactly LH restores almost as soon as testosterone levels start to drop to below normal levels its only a matter of: can the leydig cells receive it?
HCG would be safe to use as much as 2-6 weeks post cycle. Often hcg is used safely for weight loss at 125IU daily so 250IU 2-3 times per week for many weeks at a time is quite safe. You can even make use of it in the off season when not even on gear to have high testosterone levels.

Recap –

For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 100iu hCG ED starting 7 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.


Ok from this Im gathering on a cycle of 10 week: Testosterone Propionate: 4 time a week @ 100mg. To only start HCG 7 days AFTER first pin of Test P. Then when finishing stop on last day of Pinning. ( If thats right then when start 100 res)

No mate I was confused by that bit of info too. Just read ON's response a couple of posts back #63 and he explains it. What they are saying in that info is really off the mark

Originally Posted by greazy8

Recap –

For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 100iu hCG ED starting 7 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.


Ok from this Im gathering on a cycle of 10 week: Testosterone Propionate: 4 time a week @ 100mg. To only start HCG 7 days AFTER first pin of Test P. Then when finishing stop on last day of Pinning. ( If thats right then when start 100 res)

What your saying isn't wrong...but its not the best way either.
have a read on the first page again of this thread especially the part where the 2 graphs are.

to quickly re-cap for you.
LH levels drop to baseline within 3 days of your first injection, testicular leydig cells start desenstizing at this point straight away.
HCG has a 4 day half life, every day injections are fine but are not 100% needed due to the half life, 250IU 2-3 times per week will keep the leydig cells "in the game" they will be working and producing testosterone.
LH raises almost imediatly when testosterone injections are stoped so hcg should be used until the steroids clear the system otherwise the brain will still sense the presence of too much external testosterone and will not star LH release. so continue hcg until the gear leaves the system 2-3 weeks.
At around the 1 week post cycle mark you can start to use res100/tococaps.

Have a read again on page one, hope this makes sense.

Would you say its too late to jump on HCGs if your already 5 weeks into your cycle? If so how much should be administered? The cycle consists 500mg Test E per week, (2 x 1ml injections mon/thu) and Deca 200 (2x 0.5ml per week mon/thu only for the first four weeks as i decided to stop taking deca because it was my first cycle and was told i should just stick to test). I plan on being on it for 16 weeks, 8 weeks on (reload), followed by a further 2 weeks off (deload), with another 8 weeks on after that (following the slingshot training method).

@Crazyltn187 its not too late you should be able to get away with taking a few big shots to get the balls rolling again.
1000IU eod for 3 days should do it.

Originally Posted by O.N.

@Crazyltn187 its not too late you should be able to get away with taking a few big shots to get the balls rolling again.
1000IU eod for 3 days should do it.

Cool thanks... ill give it a shot Just to recap, ill do 3x 1000UI (EOD) and then continue the normal HCG dose of about 500UI per week?

250IU 2-3 times per week.

Would you start that the same week as the larger doses? ie 3 days after the last 1000iu shot?

Originally Posted by IW2BC

Would you start that the same week as the larger doses? ie 3 days after the last 1000iu shot?

yep exactly.

Guys Im fully on board with the need for an HCG protocol, Im just getting a little confused as to start and end time for the protocol.
I'm going to be running Anavar only cycle @ 40mg for 5 weeks.
I have purchased the HCG which I was intending to take at 250iu twice a week.
Can you point me to a start and end date for the HCG

Also...before I started reading up on HCG I had purchased Nolva to take as PCT.
I know that theres mixed advice on the use of such medication after HCG but I have it on hand and wondered if a small does as PCT is advisable, if so what sort of doses would you recommend.

Thanks.

@liebs 7 days use of hcg post cycle will be plenty as its an oral it will clear your system very fast.
you can also opt to do 250IU 3x per week because you are only going for 5 weeks + 1 week post compared to most guys doing 10 week cycle's.

Thanks ON So to confirm:
250iu HCG three times a week from the start of the cycle, last shot 7 days after last tablet.
No Nolva/Clomid in this protocol?

yes thats right, you can use nolva post cycle if you need it, would much rather res100 it's natural and works better than nolva.

O.N is res100 back in stock??

Never mind seen the note on the product re: 15th Feb........