Thread: Stimulating Testosterone (My Results/Bloods)

Hi All

I have been taking 0.5g of Arimidex eod for about 4 to 5 months for the purpose of reducing estrogen and boosting testosterone.
Here are my before bloods:

taken 15/01/10

testosterone 14.9 (11.5-32.0)
estrogen 106 (<160)
SHGB 21 (15-50)
LH 2.7 (2.0-10.0)

here are the after bloods:

taken 15/04/10

testosterone 14 (8.3-29)
free test 32.6 (25-120)
estrogen 101 (<150)
SHGB 15 (11-71)
LH 4.9 (<7) -----about the only thing that changed

Now these were done by different labs but it doesn't show much of a difference. My conclusion is i must be a non responder to arimidex or the pharmacy (got it legit on script) sold me fake stuff or it just isn't as strong as they say. I was taking pharmacy stuff bought from my local chemist up until i got the after bloods done i have now been taking cheaper generic stuff from O/S so if the chemist sold me dud stuff which is unlikey then it will show on the next bloods.

I have now been on resveratrol 100 for 33 days and i just got blood taken yesterday i will post up my results next week so we can compare the results and update my resvertrol thread.

I also plan on continuing the resveratrol 100 now without arimidex to see what else can happen to my hormone levels so when i finish my pack in another 15 days i will get blood taken again and post up my results without the arimidex.

Why did you think the adex would increase test levels?

Maybe run the resveratrol abit longer without the adex then get blood result

http://www.bodybuildingforums.com.au...ne-levels.html

it supposed to raise LH by the negative feedback loop of stopping estrogen from converting lowering estrogen the body tries to combat this by raising lh to produce more test to be converted to more estrogen.

Arimidex has no androgenic properties.

Some things sound good in theory, but do they really work in real life.

Arimidex does increase Lh/fsh and testosterone, but you would need to do atleast 1mg a day for months at a time to see changes in hormone levels.

I noticed that your LH did go up.

Yea in theory lol didn't happen here, but i wouldn't dismiss it as not working as it didn't even really effect my estrogen levels 0.5mgs eod should of brought it down if it's as potent as everyone says it is. So somethings not right.

were you training for the 4-5 months?
just curious question mick

Mate somethings not right there.With that dosage of arimidex ur estrogen should b alot lower than that.especially for a man thats not on gear

Originally Posted by M1CH43L

Hi All

I have been taking 0.5g of Arimidex eod for about 4 to 5 months for the purpose of reducing estrogen and boosting testosterone.
Here are my before bloods:

taken 15/01/10

testosterone 14.9 (11.5-32.0)
estrogen 106 (<160)
SHGB 21 (15-50)
LH 2.7 (2.0-10.0)

here are the after bloods:

taken 15/04/10

testosterone 14 (8.3-29)
free test 32.6 (25-120)
estrogen 101 (<150)
SHGB 15 (11-71)
LH 4.9 (<7) -----about the only thing that changed

Now these were done by different labs but it doesn't show much of a difference. My conclusion is i must be a non responder to arimidex or the pharmacy (got it legit on script) sold me fake stuff or it just isn't as strong as they say. I was taking pharmacy stuff bought from my local chemist up until i got the after bloods done i have now been taking cheaper generic stuff from O/S so if the chemist sold me dud stuff which is unlikey then it will show on the next bloods.

I have now been on resveratrol 100 for 33 days and i just got blood taken yesterday i will post up my results next week so we can compare the results and update my resvertrol thread.

I also plan on continuing the resveratrol 100 now without arimidex to see what else can happen to my hormone levels so when i finish my pack in another 15 days i will get blood taken again and post up my results without the arimidex.

A 25% reduction in SHBG is not to be overlooked.

Originally Posted by M1CH43L

LH 2.7 (2.0-10.0)

here are the after bloods:

taken 15/04/10

LH 4.9 (<7) -----about the only thing that changed

A very significant change.

Originally Posted by M1CH43L

taken 15/01/10

testosterone 14.9 (11.5-32.0)
estrogen 106 (<160)
SHGB 21 (15-50)
LH 2.7 (2.0-10.0)

here are the after bloods:

taken 15/04/10

testosterone 14 (8.3-29)
free test 32.6 (25-120)
estrogen 101 (<150)
SHGB 15 (11-71)
LH 4.9 (<7) -----about the only thing that changed

A few theory's for you mate some of which maybe true.
With these blood test's using arimidex you have seen several things happen.

• 1. estrogen didn't really fall
• 2. SHBG did change significantly
• 3. LH did change significantly

The imbalance desired in estrogen to testosterone ratio may have been achieved and the new estrogen is created from the rise in LH. Just because you are taking arimidex doesn't mean you will have lower estrogen levels. Remember the way it works is to reduce estrogen in order to create more estrogen from testosterone production. Estrogen is made from testosterone so for it to be working properly you need to create the imbalance on a daily basis, this i believe you have done as LH has risen.
Why testosterone value didn't really change has got to be 1 of maybe 2 things that i can think of. 1 being you have taken something or done something to your body long term which has altered your bodies ability to create testosterone possibly leydig cell degeneration or hopefully its just cortisol levels from stress. Obviously it could be a whole other bunch of things too but could very well be 1 of these 2 problems.

I believe your case will be the most significant blood tests now in trialing the resveratrol 100 to see if it helps this issue you have if it helps at all.

So we are now due to see your blood results for arimidex/resveratrol 100 for 33days then in another 25 days resveratrol 100 only.
I hope it does what it does to others for you mate.
Keep us posted.

Originally Posted by zayd687

were you training for the 4-5 months?
just curious question mick

Yea 4 days a week since we last met up (got me motivated, before that i was out from snow board injuries) but i think that was 6 months ago.

been eating 6 to 4 meals on days i have 4 meals 3 will be around 1000cals and last one will be like a proteinshake with a sandwich, now there's always improvement for diet but this isn't too bad and apart from gym i not really active.

Also haven had a drop of alcohol or any other drug apart from my thyroid hrt (T3 15mcg ED)

Originally Posted by O.N.

Why testosterone value didn't really change has got to be 1 of maybe 2 things that i can think of. 1 being you have taken something or done something to your body long term which has altered your bodies ability to create testosterone possibly leydig cell degeneration or hopefully its just cortisol levels from stress. Obviously it could be a whole other bunch of things too but could very well be 1 of these 2 problems.

Yea lol it's like i got a mild case of both primary AND secondary hypogonadism, I definitely have some underlying health issues heamocromitosis being one so if arimidex doesn't work resvertrol may also not work it might just be me.

I'll be very interested as to what my dr says that gave me the arimidex when i show him this as his very good with this stuff and would have a good idea.

Just be careful mich.

estrogen also works as a growth hormone promoter, so you dont want to get that to low.

Even though adex may bring test/LH/FSH hormone to a better level than before, you may be forsaking things like a drop of igf levels.

Originally Posted by anthony

Just be careful mich.

estrogen also works as a growth hormone promoter, so you dont want to get that to low.

Even though adex may bring test/LH/FSH hormone to a better level than before, you may be forsaking things like a drop of igf levels.

fair comment, but remember it is virtually impossible to reduce estrogen to the point of it being ineffective. The body will always compensate.

The estrogen numbers quoted above are pretty good and are not much above what I routinely get.

Originally Posted by Lazarus

fair comment, but remember it is virtually impossible to reduce estrogen to the point of it being ineffective. The body will always compensate.

The estrogen numbers quoted above are pretty good and are not much above what I routinely get.

Agreed. Having seen a very bad estrogenic reaction before whilst running adex I am not unaware of the above.

Yea i've completely dropped the adex now (save it for a cycle or something) and just running resvertrol now.

At my test levels it very hard to grow any way so i guess i have to try everything.

Originally Posted by M1CH43L

Yea i've completely dropped the adex now (save it for a cycle or something) and just running resvertrol now.

At my test levels it very hard to grow any way so i guess i have to try everything.

go get your blood results they should be back by now.

Hey got my bloods back for the resvertrol trial.
This trial was with the use of 0.5mg (1/2) arimidex eod and resveratrol 2x daily.

Test 12 (8.3 -29)
free test 35 (25-120)
estrogen 100 (<160)

Now i wanna make it very clear that i have alot of health issues heamocromitosis being one and have always had fucked test levels, possibly due to alot of drug abuse from a young age (talking like doing 15 pills a night on good week ends, smoking weed every day from 14 not your average run of the mill drug abuse, stupid shit).

SO DON'T TAKE THESE RESULTS AS THE SUPP DOESN'T WORK! cause many others report it has.

Case in point the same shit happened with arimidex a pharmaceutical drug which should have raised my testosterone according to the research and my doctors opinion.

I think i have primary hypogonadism meaning my balls are fucked and can't make enough test seeing as my LH goes up and yet test stays the same kind of confirms it that LH isn't being utalised the same way as other males, is not right at all.

To confirm this i'm going to take high dose's of HGC to see if i get a response. My testosterone should go through the roof and we shall see if my balls get BIGGER and if the blood levels change, im also going to continue the resveratrol and see if after HCG use that i might get the same type of stimulation as other guys get from it.

If none of this works i guess i truly am a HRT candidate that actually does require testosterone medication.

I hope for your case over time LH being raised will help.
If HCG doesn't work then you certainly have hypagonadism to a certain degree.
Arimidex should have raised testosterone
and resveratrol certainly should have raised testosterone.

either an under lying medical condition you have is causing something or hyagonadism possibly from your drug abuse.

i hope hcg works and then i hope you can get the most out of the resveratrol like the rest of us do.