Thread: Matty Johns & Gangbang Scandal

very interesting debate going on another forum in regards to this issue...

i personally think him losing everything is very very harsh for something that has soo many question marks and uncertainties...

opinions???

I feel bad for the guy, he has lost alot for a previous moment of infidelity which i believe he has been pretty open and straight about. No question in my mind that this sort of stuff goes on and the aftermarth on the women can be quiet damaging, i just dont understand why this lady who was so hurt over this incident would let it rest for so long and then bring it up? one has to ask what has driven this? are there any alterior motives behind this?

Ive only heard dribs and drabs so can you guys fill us in on some of the details.

Is this sort of what happened? He and another bloke had sex with a woman (consensual). But then a heap of others came into the room and had sex with her (non consensual so it becomes rape)? Where was he while the others were assaulting her?

What I wanna know is... Why wasn't it delt with 7 years ago when it happened and then left the hell alone? And considering the NZ police didn't lay any charges, where the hell does the media get the right to go digging things up?
It's borderline defamation IMO...

For the guy to loose his job, and to put his family through it all over again is absolutely ridiculous, I feel sorry for the guy!

I'd like to know how much 4 corners paid for the story. He's guilty of a morality breach for sure but FFS to lose the lot 7 years later is total BS.

Interesting related article in the SMH:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/letter...0514-b4mn.html

I don't know if the Johns family has the money or inclination to sue for the damage that has been done to their lives by the unsolicited and unwelcome airing of these tawdry events, but they should - for all of us. If the laws of the land cannot protect us from this sort of media "freedom", perhaps hugely successful civil actions might.

There are many different stories going around and i guess we will never know the truth.

In the past couple of days i have heard a few stories on the TV and radio, the first one was this:
A guy phoned up today FM and said "i can't say who but i am mates with one of the other men that were involved in the sex scandal" and he said that "the women entered the room" and said "if you want to stay in here you have to take your clothes off"

Another woman on TV said she was/is friends with the woman who claims to be raped and she said her friend was bragging about it after it had happened, and she has now gone and changed it from bragging to a horrible crime.

Im sure it is possible that she may have consented to the sex and then half way through started to realise it's getting out of hand.

If these guy's weren't football stars would this have even been reported to the police?

This is not a problem confined to football players; it's a problem with men. Fullstop.

Johns, imo, has been treated harshly, and unfairly.

Society needs to take responsibility for the problems of men sexualising women.

This is a thread best suited to my style of forum participation so it's only fitting i use it as my first post since coming back from the sin bin!

I echo the sentiments of the previous posters. I have a very black and white view of this situation:

Girl fulfills her fantasty of having a gangbang with a bunch of footy players.
Since rockstars were rockstars it's happened there, now it's happening with footy players... if you've banged a footy player you're a star! it's a tick on your list.

Seven years later she realises she wasn't mentally mature enough to make the decision. Has regrets and wants compensation.
We all make bad decisions, most of us lose our virginity before we are old enough to realise the impact. We get drunk, do things we regret. Even while sober there are times and choices that don't mix well, and years later the remorse, regret, shame and embarassment haunt us... these are life's little lessons that help us grow and mature and learn to be positive and just enjoy life in a clean and responsible way.

Every person is entitled to the presumption of innocence
Whilst we should give the girl the benefit of the doubt, let her take it up with the police. Until anyone is charged, it is unfair, immoral and unaustralian to think the man has anything to apologise for, or to criticise him.

There's a time when we can criticise and ruin him... when he's found guilty. Until then... the man is free, and should be free of any criticism. That's how our "Free" country works, and how the legal system works.

The morality of gangbangs
People on tv were up in arms about the fact that, even if she was willing, this gangbang was immoral and degrading to women. Just because a bunch of prudes jump on tv doesn't mean we should listen to them or take their opinion.

Men and women have been having sex for thousands of years, what happens in our bedrooms or hotel rooms shouldn't receive commentary. Especially by these prude media reporters. If a girl (or a guy) wants to engage in sex with multiple partners, well fuck... that's their choice.

In some Islamic countries if you are found guilty of having sex before marriage the punishment is death. So hey, which direction do we want to be headed? Should we release a list of permitted/moral sex acts, and a list of forbidden/immoral sex acts? Fuck that.

Conclusion
They had a gangbang, she feels bad now, is using the media for whatever reason. Going to the media is only going to make things worse for her.

He cheated on his wife. So what. That's between him and his wife. Not us.

She needs to get some help, she's already receiving fiscal assistance from the NZ government due to depression.

At the end of the day, until any charges are laid... we should lay off the criticism. If charges do get laid.... then we can all eat our words and begin supporting the poor girl.

If she was raped, then that is incredible sad, upsetting, disgusting etc etc... and those guys should receive max jail time... what an incredible injustice if that did happened.....

until then.... leave the guy alone.


goodnight :P

Yeah i can see both sides of the story. We're never going to know exactly what actually happened. I think the main issue in the media is that these men are very high profile figures. Some of them make a LOT of money and are very high profile. With that comes a responsibility to set a good example both in your sport and in your personal life.

I don't consider myself a "sexual prude" but I think that footballers take on this role knowing that they are setting an example to live a healthy, moral lifestyle for children watching and also the general public. Going out and getting pissed at every possible opportunity and having gangbangs with your teammates isn't what i'd want my football club membership fee paying for.

Should he have lost his jobs? Probably. Seven years ago. Men take a lot of slack for these kinds of situations though. Women have a responsibility to not participate, groupies around footballers are like flies to shit. Two footballers ask you to come back to their room to "hang out" and you "don't think anything is going to happen". Bullshit.

Unfortunately we only have his word and what she says.

From some of what i read, she willingly went with two of them. The rest entered the room and joined in. Whether or not she said no to them is another thing. I feel sorry for MJ because even though he was a fuckwit he was cleared of legal implications 7 years ago AND hes the only one shes remembered.

Kirk IF someone decides that sex has to stop half way through then it has to stop. If she told them no more and they kept going it becomes non consensual.

Originally Posted by Rusha

Kirk IF someone decides that sex has to stop half way through then it has to stop. If she told them no more and they kept going it becomes non consensual.

Oh i agree Rusha, if she said something it should have stopped, but if nothing was said even out of fear of speaking up then the situation wouldn't change.
For me or anyone imo if the girl says stop or get off and really means it get the hell off her.

Originally Posted by Online Nutrition

Oh i agree Rusha, if she said something it should have stopped, but if nothing was said even out of fear of speaking up then the situation wouldn't change.
For me or anyone imo if the girl says stop or get off and really means it get the hell off her.

on that note though, the men have to realise that they're celebrities and there are LOTS of them. So if they were actually giving a shit about the chick maybe they would have considered how she may have felt outnumbered and powerless to say anything. People do dumb shit when there's peer pressure involved and they need to be aware of the power they have over people and not take advantage of it.

Maybe she gave off no verbal/physical cues to indicate her feelings? Maybe at the time she was keen as mustard... and it was only years later that she is having regrets. That's not the men's fault.

The fact is we don't have the facts... Who knows what happened. In all fairness though, you can't really spoil the moment and ask "hey... are u really sure you want to do this?". They are all adults, if she had a problem with it she needs to say something. I'm sorry but that's life.

I certainly don't think a bunch of footy players gang banging a girl is an ideal situation... but i'm no one to judge if that's what people enjoy doing (including the girls).

At some point you need to draw the line and say people are responsible for themselves. I could easily go sleep with a girl and then claim rape because i had a drink or two and felt pressured into it. That's not fair is it.

Originally Posted by Lazarus

This is not a problem confined to football players; it's a problem with men. Fullstop.
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whats the crime that was commited? please enlighten me

The police 7 years ago didnt charge anyone with a crime so none. They are calling it moral misconduct or something.

In some cases women have ended up in a group sex situation with footy players because they have been off their faces and thats when its wrong (legislation has been passed that says that is wrong). But this woman wasnt wasted.

The main crimes here were stupidity imo.

If a girl chomps on pills or drinks alcohol then she is responsible. I have absolutely NO sympathy for girls or guys who take drugs and/or alcohol then cry about their situation.

"I didn't mean to hit & kill that lady with my car... i didnt think i was over the limit"
"I was on drugs and was full of rage, under normal circumstances i wouldn't have glassed that guy in the face..."
"If i didn't drink so much last night i might not regret having sex"

If you choose to put it in your mouth... be responsible for it!

As an afterthought.... I have a few "friends" on facebook who, weekend after weekend complain about how they fell down stairs, vomitted, did something embarassing or just have a hang over from the night before...

you'd think they would learn at 16 what the effects of alcohol are? i really dont understand how they can complain and then do it all over again.... i had my last drink at 19... have been free of alcohol for 7 years. dont need it. dont want it. imo if you *need* alcohol then there's something wrong with you. if you feel that you need alcohol to make you social.. well... you're retarded.

Originally Posted by plexus

you'd think they would learn at 16 what the effects of alcohol are? i really dont understand how they can complain and then do it all over again.... i had my last drink at 19... have been free of alcohol for 7 years. dont need it. dont want it. imo if you *need* alcohol then there's something wrong with you. if you feel that you need alcohol to make you social.. well... you're retarded.

I agree with this our society is too embedded in alcohol it's a unwritten rule that if you go out you must drink and you must drink to have fun. I do like to drink and like being drunk same with other drugs but i do not like the side effects of being hungover sick feeling like shit and the negative health effects. My some of my friends take party drugs when i refuse to partake in this i get a little shit but that's it, when i turn down a drink people don't know how to take it they look at me like i am crazy....

There is a whole world out there and so much fun too be had but we have limited our imaginations to just looking for excuses to consume alcohol and that's all there is. I think i'm much happier at the end of the night when i go bowling or something fun that dosen't involve drinking.

I myself probably have one massive drink every 6 months for my birthday (June) and NYE, thats it no alcohol consumption inbetween.

i haven't had a drink in probably 2 years and before that was many many months i hate the shit, taste's like shit too.

I think the point is not to take advantage of someone in a vulnerable position. No matter how they got there.